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[DeleGate-En] Re: ftp to ftp gateway +(optional TLS) (SOLVED)
10 Dec 2006 16:01:57 GMT (Yutaka Sato)
The DeleGate Project

Hi Steve,

In message <_A3597@delegate-en.ML_> on 12/06/06(22:21:27)
you Steve Brown <> wrote:
 |> The problem seems not in SSL but in TCP/IP level.
 |You are absolutely correct. You prompted me to do some in depth
 |debugging and I'm sending this in case it helps anyone else out in a
 |firewalled environment.

Thank you for your precise description of the problem.  It'll be
helpful for others who will encounter the same problem, and for me
to reduce a suspicion on DeleGate :)

 |Our FTP proxy uses IPtables as a local firewall (there are more serious
 |firewalls further out) which essentially opens TCP ports 20 and 21 and
 |With passive FTP, because the client initiates the Data connection TO
 |the Proxy (or server - same scenario) which as far as the IPtables
 |system knows are not related/established, helper modules are normally
 |loaded (ip_conntrack_ftp.ko ip_nat_ftp.ko) which 'peek' into the Control
 |channels' conversation and sniff the port details out from the data
 |payload. This way, IPtables knows to which port to expect the incoming
 |connection request.
 |With TLS, the Control channel is encrypted and so the helpers cannot
 |sniff the data payload to fins out where to expect the incoming request.
 |Result is the data channel open request is denied. Ah. Now it all makes
 |The fix is to have the FTP server use a restricted range of ports for
 |passive mode, and have the firewall rules allow them. Usually, the
 |recommended range is the IANA registered ephemeral range of 49152-65534.
 |Yutaka, thanks for your patience for my assumption there was an issue in
 |Delegate, which there wasn't.

Maybe what DeleGate should do on this issue is to put more helpful
information about the error in the response message to the FTP client.

  9 9   Yutaka Sato <>
 ( ~ )  National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and Technology
_<   >_ 1-1-4 Umezono, Tsukuba, Ibaraki, 305-8568 Japan
Do the more with the less -- B. Fuller

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